New Briscoe Field Committee to Hold First Meeting

The proposed agenda for the newly formed Airport Privatization Citizens Review Committee has been released.

The Airport Privatization Citizens Review Committee will hold their first meeting Tuesday, Nov. 8, at 4 p.m. at the Briscoe Field offices. The 11 members and Infrastructure Management Group (IMG) will provide counseling in the proposals for the potential privatization of Briscoe Field. 

Here is the proposed agenda for Tuesday's meeting:

Airport Privatization Citizens Review Committee
Proposed Agenda
November 8, 2011

I. Introduction and Welcome

II. Overview
     A. Committee Role/Goals

III. Organizational Issues

     A. Structure of Committee and Election of Officers (Chair & Vice Chair)

     B. Meeting Structure – agenda, participation, discussion, decision making and public comment

     C. Record of discussion and decisions of Committee and public comment

     D. County Support

IV. Presentation of Information

     A. Introduction of Airport and Airport Operations

     B Review of Informational Binder

 V. Future plans

     A. Work Plan

         i. Plan and Deliverables

         ii. Timetable

         iii. Community Outreach Plan and Goals

     B. Next meeting arrangements/schedule

VI. Public Comment

VII. Adjournment

Todd M November 08, 2011 at 07:30 PM
If this idea is so perfect, so sure to create jobs and revenue, then as the county, put your money where your mouth is, and PAY US for the decreased value, decreased enjoyment, decreased use of our homes due to this airport plan. Unless they are willing to do that, they are not serious, and all they want to do is rob from one person, to give to a bunch of other people. Their other arguments fall on deaf ears, because they have proven to me that they simply do not care about the impact on the local region. Instead of trying to gain our support, they get the rest of the county to gang up on us. They have specific commissioners speak poorly to us in meetings, talk down to us, degrade us for our concerns, etc. NOT ONE OUNCE of care have been spent trying to be empathetic or to resolve these issues with those who will be effected. They seem shocked that we do not trust them, and do not believe that they have our best interest at heart. To the people who ask this, have you not seen what the Gwinnett Commissioners have done in our name over the past several years? The open and up front disregard for what is legal, what is fair, what is right, all for their own personal enrichment, or individual power gain.
Todd M November 08, 2011 at 07:30 PM
So to the folks at Fly Gwinnett Forward, and for Propeller…have you even tried to walk a mile in our shoes? There is ZERO proof that this will not hurt our home values. So how do you feel about that? Go on the record! Have you seen how Mike Beaudreau treated the people he represents at numerous meetings and information sessions? Did you take a stand against how he treated us for our concerns, or did you just support him because he tends to agree with your desire to move this plan along. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and as long as you have people who speak for the minority, and against the majority of home owners in this region, you will continue to meet fierce resistance. We will not have this crammed down our throats just because you want this really bad, and you believe fully that it will create jobs, or personal gain for those you represent or are currently employed.
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew November 08, 2011 at 07:33 PM
A high profile business issue with MILLIONS of dollars, if not more, on the line and you become an agent as a favor WITHOUT ANY compensation? Actually what was the need or state business requirement for you to be an agent? Folks, if this doesn’t throw up a great big red flag, I don’t know what would. Please read remaining postings with care.
Todd M November 08, 2011 at 07:34 PM
Well for me personally, because I could only just now login and post!! Something was off on my work computer, but I just found a way to work around it. Second, the same reason why the voting in Ohio today is likely to go in the favor of Unions, and against the best interest of the State and the citizens. Common people are buried under negativity and a huge pile of things they need to do. It is difficult to energize the base, unless you have millions of dollars to spend, like Unions do (in Ohio's case), or unless you are a for profit company that can purchase billboards, etc. This is something that politics counts on, and hopes for, that the people against something will NOT go out and vote. This is why the HOT lanes have been such a concern for the transportation tax vote coming up...because if you tick enough people off, they will go out and vote their heart instead of staying at home.
Todd M November 08, 2011 at 07:44 PM
And by the way..I travel for a living, meeting with doctors, hospitals, etc. I've been to a majority of these areas around airports being used as examples. I have not seen one such area that was deemed desirable, or sought after. The Dacula area offers a unique quality of life, one that we couldn't get in other parts of Gwinnett, which is why we moved here. We get more for our home dollars, more property, a different community feel, etc. I've lived in, and supported this community now for about 10 years, and I am not eager to see what so many people value diminished based on a strategy that has proven false in several other areas. The idea that this will create jobs is in fact disputable, and we can agree or disagree, but every day evidence easily seen by the laws of supply and demand shows us that homes around commercial airports are greatly reduced in value, desirabilty, etc.
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew November 08, 2011 at 07:47 PM
Fly You REALLY have no idea or concern just how much hostility is out in the county about BEING hoodwinked. The job application fiasco was just icing on the cake. Please just respond to the pointed questions of Sabrina right in this posting – no additional meetings are required or sought until these facts are addressed point by point and independent research can be completed. THEN a public meeting of real substance could be held. Otherwise we are attempting to nail Jell-O to a wall.
GregRodgers November 08, 2011 at 07:51 PM
Todd M...wrote: "I did indeed know, but made a decision understanding private flights would be flying overhead, and we were all assured that the airport would not include commercial flights" Exactly my point.....We made a decision knowing one thing only to find out that this is not the case.... We did not move to this area to have commercial planes over our homes....
GregRodgers November 08, 2011 at 07:53 PM
Steve....this is where you lose people like me... "possibly a unique opportunity to do something incredible" That means there is a 50% chance that this will not be incredible...what then? You Propeller people leave...go to another state and try to get another airport...leaving us holding the bag. Sorry....I am not buying in.....
Todd M November 08, 2011 at 07:55 PM
That is not logic. I bought in this area, with full understanding that private planes flew in over my home. Literally I can see the windows in the plane as they come over my back yard. I weighed the value of the area against what to me was a minor nuisance. I spent a few weeks driving the area, listening to the planes that landed, took off, etc. I am 100% OK with this, but I knew that some people would not like it, just like some people don't like homes that backup to a major road. The difference between commercial flights and private flights are night and day. You say that you are just trying to make a difference, a positive change. We are only asking you to show us how this will be positive to anyone, let alone the people living on the approach. Is it not fair, that before undertaking a move like this that would damage many levels of trust, values of homes, lifestyle, etc, that you or others prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this in fact produce the benefits a few tout? If I go to a doctor and he suggests a surgery that will drastically improve my quality of life, is it not my right to ask for proof along with the risks? What if another person could order me to have that surgery, because they wanted me to reap those benefits? What if I was told that I could not ask for proof, or could not elect out of the surgery due to the real, proven risks associated with it? Isn't that basically what you are asking each of us in this area to do?
GregRodgers November 08, 2011 at 07:56 PM
We can agree to disagree.... Like saying a postive change..when I see it as a negative change. You have your agenda...build, destroy..make money. My agenda...have a nice place where I can raise my kids, without jet fuel pollution, threat of plane crashes and property values dropping. (not sure where you folks get your info that this does not cause property to drop) In any case.....you are correct. I will never see your point of view. Its very clear....make money at the expense of others.
GregRodgers November 08, 2011 at 07:59 PM
Fly wrote: "know everyone on here says that thousands of people are opposed however, why is it that the same few people are always the only ones commenting" Just like you folks say the majority want this but at 12stone...I did not see the majority who wanted it... People are sheep. You can lead them anywhere. There are always only a few who are willing to stand up for something. I am one of those people. There is your answer.....
Todd M November 08, 2011 at 08:00 PM
Your vision of wanting to achieve what you believe is "Good", that you will not, as stated above, allow your mind to be changed by the people that this will impact. How is it so hard to understand that it should not be your right to make decisions based on your view of "Good" for a bunch of other people who will bear the weight of the risks, impact, costs, etc? The world is filled with people who are so in love with their vision that they can't see the damage they cause, or the risks they subject others to. We have a President in office that has this very same ideal. He loves his vision so much, his view for what is "Good" for America so much, that he isn't going to let people stand in the way of what is good for them. Nevermind what our country was founded on, and the freedom to decide what we want and what we do not. Your vision of "Good" is not ours. If you want to bear all of the costs, then you are free to make your own decisions, and try your own experiments. Since we are all involved, you can't just decide which "Good" should prevail.
GregRodgers November 08, 2011 at 08:11 PM
Todd....they base everything they say on the area directly around the airport. Then use it as a blanket statement in order to sell their idea. They must not realize that Dacula is actually a really nice place to live and raise a family....nor do they care.
Gary Fox November 08, 2011 at 10:37 PM
OR! Brett could take his toys & simply go somewhere else. If you do PLEASE take Mike with you. You, are not wanted, needed, or welcome, by a LOT OF PEOPLE. (honest & hard working people with enough common sense to see right through you Brett Smith)
Frank T November 09, 2011 at 01:05 PM
Like beautiful downtown College Park?
GregRodgers November 09, 2011 at 02:19 PM
Wow...aparently you ignore what everyone says or simply keep blinders on so I will repeat... Your Commercial Airport will steal my quality of life, my equity in my home, air quality. It is stealing and would amount to robbing folks. Its a sham job. People did not move into the area (Dacula)...to live near a Commercial Airport. Like it has been said before....If we wanted to live near a Commercial Airport we'd live in College Park....but we were smart enough not to move there for the obvious and we do not want our area to become that area. Spew your pipe dreamed smoke and mirrors all you want. Your plan is thiervery of anyone who owns a home in the area.
Bev Lougher November 09, 2011 at 04:14 PM
Good first meeting. This group seemed to be very dedicated to doing the job asked of them and providing the BOC recommendations based on their research. I plan on attending all the meetings I can to watch the process. Thanks to all on the committee for dedicating their time, and it will be a lot of their time, to this vital issue.
Vanzetta Evans (Editor) November 09, 2011 at 06:25 PM
I was just going to ask if anyone attended the first meeting. Here's what happened: http://patch.com/A-n7rl. I'd love to hear what those of you who attended thought about it.
Bruce Neill November 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Has Propeller set the date for the town hall meeting? Does anyone know where it be held? Will all of the details be posted here on the Patch?
Gary Fox November 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM
Bruce PLEASE tell us your being cynical - (can't tell from your post) Patch is currently best source of info.
Sharon Granger November 16, 2011 at 02:13 AM
Sharon Granger November 16, 2011 at 02:15 AM
Has the date been set for Brett Smith's Town Hall meeting? Does anyone know when and where it will be held?
Bruce Neill November 16, 2011 at 01:40 PM
Vanzetta: Will you post the information on the Propeller Town Hall Meeting on the Patch? Do you know the date/location, etc.?
Bev Lougher November 16, 2011 at 03:54 PM
Has Brett Smith given us a time and place for his town hall meeting? I might have missed this posting somewhere.
Rodney Camren November 16, 2011 at 04:18 PM
Bev & others, I was wondering the same thing about the town hall meeting? If anyone gets the time and dates please be sure to let us know.
Duane Huff November 16, 2011 at 09:17 PM
I would also like to know when the town hall meeting will be held Duane Huff duanehuff@yahoo.com
Bryan Pease November 17, 2011 at 09:28 PM
Getting to the facts is what everyone desires. But, it is not necessary to solicit proposals via the RFP process for the facts to be made known. The RFP is a response to a set of criteria which sets forth the basis for the submittals. What is the basis upon which the County has established their criteria? These are the facts! A lot of information is readily available from which we can draw conclusions about what criteria to use for an RFP. Top among the resources are many FAA reports about the Privatization Process (including the history of the program), the recent Atlanta Hartsfield study, prior experiences at Mid-America Airport (near O'Fallon, Illinois), Branson, MO, and Stewart International Airport in New York. Bottom line, none have been successful and all were expensive. Why does the County want to risk taxpayer funds when the evidence clearly depicts the huge risk associated with trying to create a privately operated commercial passenger service airport? Is it the verbal promise of "thousands" of jobs? Check out John Wayne Airport in Orange County California. Built on slightly more than 500 acres, it has 20,000 take-off/landings per month (combined total between general aviation and commercial passenger flights), twenty commercial gates, and the airport has a total of 179 full time permanent employees as of 2009! Like so many others, I too would like to know when/where the Townhall meeting will be so we can obtain FACTUAL information and not speculative!
Sabrina Smith November 17, 2011 at 10:08 PM
To all of you who have emailed me, asking for the date of Brett Smith’s Town Hall meeting, I don’t know it yet. I apologize to those who have not received a response from me, but I have been out of town and have not had time to answer all of your emails. Brett posted this, when I suggested that he schedule a meeting/town hall/ open forum for those with concerns about his proposal for Briscoe: “FlyBriscoe 11:38am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011 Lets do both! We will work on setting this up Sabrina. I have been wanting to do this for quite some time. Contrary to the sentiment on here I am not some big bad monster that wants to benefit at the expense of others.” Contrary to what many of you have said in your emails, I believe that Brett was being sincere when he said he wanted to do this. He has nothing to lose, and everything to gain by publicly discussing his vision for Briscoe Field. I know he travels and maintains a busy schedule, so it may be that he simply has not had time to schedule it yet. I will send him an email, asking for details, and offering the assistance of members of Gwinnett Citizens for Responsible Government, if would like for us to participate. If he plans to do it without our participation, that is perfectly acceptable, and we will look forward to attending the meeting. With his permission, I will post his response here so that all of you may read it.
Mark December 01, 2011 at 12:11 AM
So much mudslinging and misinformation! I am opposed to commercialization of Briscoe, but believe Brett Smith to be a man of integrity. I have met with him,spoken with him at length by phone and had several online talks with him. He sincerely believes his plan would benefit not just Propeller but Gwinnett County and its citizens as well. You may disagree with his idea but it is incorrect to label Brett Smith as ruthless or "only interested in profits." He's a good man and one that I would consider a friend. After our meeting, he knows I am opposed to commercialization and he knows why. That doesn't mean we are enemies....only that we have different opinions on this issue. It would be helpful if all parties in this discussion exercised a bit of civility and empathy.
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew December 14, 2011 at 04:29 AM
"He sincerely believes his plan would benefit not just Propeller but Gwinnett County and its citizens as well." Why solicit resumes for a project that doesn't exist yet and you have no standing to do so in anything resembling Good Faith? Is this a reflection of a man of integrity? Actions like this speak far louder than words in a personal conversation - too bad he's not on record as condemning the incident of offering "vaporware" jobs to folks in SOUTH Atlanta job fares. People make mistakes, those with integrity admit them publicly and then move on to correction, something some of the BOC members should consider as well...


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