You mean people like Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Debbie Wasserman Yapalot and Bill Clinton?
You must have a very low self esteem.

Pelosi is 72, Reid is 72, watch how the dems try to spin that they are not from the last CENTURY. Talk about "Out of Date", talk about "Hasbeens"

TaterSalad, the majority of America consistently state their opinion that President Obama will win a second term. Today's Electoral College projection has President Obama comfortably winning re-election 332 to 206.

Is Clint Eastwood running for Senate? Good grief boy. Where do you get your news?

Never mind. I know. MSNBC

@Larry Reid ,Jeff Banks,Ed Vaughn
Argumentum ad Hominem is a fallacy in argument .Either argue the point or quit with the school yard blather. It hurts your credibility.

@Keith Best
let's see,twenty nine months of private sector growth after the Republicans gave us one of the worst economies in the history of this country.Thirty two million Americans will have health insurance,Iraq withdrawel.All this and more without the help of the Republican congress.Yes, I am better off than 4 years ago my portfolio of stocks proves it to me along with the increases in sales at my companies.

@Keith Best
If we ever had a 5-7% GDP growth and I doubt it,a Democrat was in office.

George, do you seriously believe that which you write here or is all of that crap just a ploy to get a rise out of intelligent people who know the facts?

"No question, the President has tremendous progress since taking office."
You have got to be kidding! Personal progress maybe but I don't think the majority of Americans feel that Obama has made "tremendous progress" for the good of the citizens.

Is the $16 trillion deficit the succes you speak of. Obama has issued many executive orders sidestepping congress (so congress wouldn't be to blame). He has also stoked the fire of racial tensions through pitting the people against one another (black on white crime is staggering right now). He also presented a budget which received 0 votes from the democrat controlled senate. Which progress are you referring to that is making you proud to have him as your president? The infrastructure investments that you are touting, are those companies like Solyndra, is the rescue of the auto industry the ones that were given in excess of $50 billion (still has not been paid back to the tax payers) for an enterprise that had to cease production of the chevy volt which was costing tax payers an additional 50k -250k per car. You may be doing better because the tax payers are funding your life for you. The doers in this country are hurting.

@Damyn Swanepoel
GM suspended the Volt production for four weeks. The reason for the halt was
that the shutdown is attributed to a retooling of the Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant where the Chevy Impala will also be made. Actually,2500 Volts were sold last month a new sales record.

This guy Wilson is one very confused and sick dumbo who evidently has nothing better to do with his time than to pontificate the #$@ devil!

Do you know how much profit was generated from the sales of those volts, or we're those cars subsidized by the tax payers?

Where did you get your information this time George? Seriously. Do you have a source you care to share? I'm interested in the facts.

@George Wilson, we will NOT hear the words "debt" or "deficit" during the entire convention. The US Debt is now over $16 Trillion dollars and when Obama and his minions use the term "investments", we know that means more SPENDING of money we don't have. George, I will savor a Republican landslide in the fall. We need a new direction. Romney/ Ryan are NOT even close to Bush/ Cheney so don't go there. Obama's policies have stifled job growth and held the economy back. Obama new mantra is "FORWARD" yet he trots out Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, LOL!!!!

George, comrade! Still blaming Bush?! Too late for that. Find a more rational argument, would ya? Just glad your GA vote will NOT matter in this RED state! LOL! In the state of GA, we have programs that cover children, disabled and elderly so the sickest who are unable to get coverage HAVE coverage! The majority of uninsured are those that would rather take vacations and buy things instead of handling their OWN responsibilities to themselves and their families. Insurance is expensive and so many choose to NOT pay for it when they can well afford it. Others do not want to work at earn a paycheck to support themselves so these will not opt to buy insurance either. Look up Medicaid, Medicare and Peach Care! The needy are already covered. The deadbeats are NOT.

george Wilson http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/10/us-generalmotors-autos-volt-idUSBRE88904J20120910. What percentage of the cars were bought by the public sector. Tax Payers who can't drive the cars they bought.

If you look at trends from all polling sources you will notice a bounce and tightening of the gap between Romney and Obama since the RNC convention. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

But you are missing the point that if a gap has narrowed, the one opportunity a candidate has to make a big step forward comes from their convention. It is so rare, that it is nearly impossible not to get a substantial bump. So today, is about as good as it will get (and my original point is that it isn't that good) for Romney/Ryan, because the Democratic convention starts tonight. Besides what a great speaker that Obama is, the convention is also going to include Bill Clinton and not something like the fumbling jokes of Clint. Just watch, this convention will bump Obama by 5 to 6 points and and that gap will probably never close after that. In fact, there is an incredibly detailed and damning article on Romney and Bain that is going to be part of the dialog for the next few months that will likely make the gap grow larger:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829

Watts, I have a sneaky suspicion that you may have rude awakening after the Nov 2nd election and find that the polls weren't quite in the favor you thought. if a pollster were to call me and ask who I am voting for, I can guarantee that they wouldn't get a straight answer.

Watts- Obama is going to need all the gravy he can get. The last stretch is going to be good, stay tuned.

.Can anyone verify if this photo below has been photo-shopped?

http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=82902

If you believe that God is omnipresent, then it is impossible to believe that he could be taken out of their platform. He is present in the hearts of those who don't feel that repeated acknowledgement of his name somehow balances out crapping on your fellow man.

Allah has been added to some events.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dnc-announces-2-hour-islamic-jumah-prayers-after-rejecting-cardinals-blessing-and-you-wont-believe-whos-invited/

Damyn, thanks for once again proving the knuckle dragging ignorance of the conservative base. Allah is an Arabic word that means God. Arab Christians say Allah when they are referring to the same bearded guy in the clouds that you are referring to when you say the name "God."

Do you have any more hillbilly ideas that you care to share?

That was a little harsh Watts. Safe to say that is the first time I have been referred to as a knuckle dragging hillbilly. If you watch the clip above you will notice a slight tinge of radicalism by the invited imam that praises Allah. They have removed references to God from the Christian persuasion, and instead added Muslim friendly calls to prayer, as well as removed pro israel text from speeches. If stating that as a concern is an issue with you, then I do apologize.

It is a concern for me, as it should be for everybody. You are trying to create a divisive "us and them" dialog by trying to polarize Allah against God, when the words mean the exact same thing. So you either a) were ignorant of the fact that Allah is the word for God (yes, even the same God that you are trying to differentiate) or b) you were aware of this, but decided to play down to the general ignorance found in the base and their wanton needs to have these "us versus them" type of discussions to normalize their own worlds. If a kid doesn't understand that Allah is just Arabic for God, I can probably guess that they live in a redneck household. But if an adult doesn't understand this or does understands this, but still decides to manipulate others by perpetuating this type of ignorance, then yes I will come down hard on that. You don't have to be a theology major to know this. This should be pretty common knowledge and if for some reason, it is a bit of knowledge that has somehow passed you by, you may want to ask yourself how. I would say that this is pretty fundamental information for anybody who wants to jump onto public forums discussing global religions. Otherwise, you are going to sound like a knuckle dragger to anybody who does know this. Conservatives already have a huge image issue when it comes to intelectual laziness, so if you don't want to be lumped into that, then I would shy away from perpetuating these stereotypical "limbaughian" notions.

Well thanks for confirming the ignorant knuckle dragger comment. The way that you tae specific radicalized events to justify an objectification of anybody using the term Allah, basically proves my point.

You seemed a little surprised at m original observations, but If this is the type of illogical shortcutting that you do in your day to day life, you can be assured that you are probably encountering at least a few people each day who are enlightened enough to recognize this. And while they may politely nod along politely, there isn't anybody worth their intelectual heft who could read what you just wrote and not question how bright you may or may not be, based on these types of conclusions.

Well, I was also going to throw down a $10 wager that you never got a higher education than HS and maybe not even completing that, but then figured that any claim that you might make would be completely unprovable. Your ideas sound like Tea Party regurgitations. The strategy of the Tea Party is to find blank slates in our population and fill them up with this type of thinking, for them to then be their mouth pieces to anybody else who may be a similar blank slate.

Maybe I am way off, but your complete lack of critical thinking leads me to at least hypothesize this.

Tea Partier?

No degrees in higher education?

Am I getting warmer?

Or in other words...I nailed it.

But you aren't half as bad as Stacey below. If you want to know why the South has such a bad reputation for this type of bible thumping and general ignorance of anybody unlike ourselves, this thread pretty much wraps it all up into a nice neat package. And I am right with God. I don't have any qualms there. I entered this discussion to try and squash the ignorance that breads the hatred. Consider me a messenger for God (or Allah or whatever native word somebody uses). I may be a little rough around the edges with my delivery, but I am still just trying the resolve the interpersonal conflicts that stem from ignorance. Stacey pretends to be righteous (actually, she probably even believes it), but she perpetuates the same "us versus them" type of objectification as Damyn. And I don't tolerate it from anybody of any faith; those who turn ignorance into prejudice. And don't worry, I already expect the "that is a laugh, calling me prejudice" type of replies, because if there is one thing that I repeatedly see in people who hold such prejudices, is that they a) don't recognize them or b) justify them like Damyn tried to do.

Watts- One does not require a college education to have a valuable perspective.

@Mike
1) You are not getting the whole picture from this thread. You can see several posts by me in a row and those previously included posts from Damyn in between them, which he obviously has deleted since. Similarly, part way through posting on here, he changed his profile name, probably because he didn't want anybody to put it together that the editor of this Patch is either his wife, sister or mother (that name is too unique for their not to be any relation). He is back stepping now, but that Allah comment really requires a little looking in the mirror time for Damyn.

2) "I would bet $10. you work in Academia, the only place where a guy of your level of pompousness would be able to remain employed." - How could I forget that hating the educated and the educators is all part of the Conservative agenda? I did teach for a short while, but that was close to 20 years ago. And as far as value of perspective, I am sorry if you don't see that such value increases by how informed a person is. There are people far more educated then myself who I defer to on many subjects. If you don't grasp the value of intellectual collateral to support a perspective, then I don't know what to say. I guess that would be your own personal "perspective."

Actually I have many close friends in Academia whose advice I seek regularly and whom I respect very much. They, themselves, will tell you there are also a lot of over-educated people who wouldn't know reality if it came up and bit them on the bum. These are the types who survive in Academia when they would survive nowhere else.
When grasping the value of intellectual collateral, one must also give some thought to what level of common sense makes up that collateral. When living in the real world, one must be concerned with how this collateral applies in the real world.
You seem to argue for the sake of arguing rather than working toward an understanding of another man's perspective, though his perspective is no less important than your own, as he can cast a vote.
Calling people names and trying to belittle them garners you no respect in the real world, nor in Academia.

I left academia to start my own business and we are in our entering our 16th year. So there goes your portrayal that academics have trouble surviving elsewhere.

Watts- What sort of business are you in?

Watts- Again, what sort of business are you in?

"And I call my God, Jesus Christ, anything but Allah!" - just curious, what do you feel about the fact that Romney can't say this? Not that he is Arabic and wants to refer to God as Allah, but that his beliefs preempt him from being able to refer to God as Jesus Christ.

Personally, I don't think that you should feel anything about it, just as I don't think that you should feel anything about somebody using the Arabic word for God.

Tammy, D.A. King admitted to paying homeless people to attend his anti-immigration rallies. He wanted to make the crowds seem larger.

RL, I have a couple of things to say. First, I was making the point that D.A. King has paid $10 to homeless people to attend those rallies so he could say the crowd was larger than it actually was. The Minuteman Project has lied about the size of the crowd at their rallies also.

Secondly, I am not a liberal. I am pro-life. I oppose same-sex marriage. I prayed regularly for former President Bush. I believe divorce is the violent destruction of a family. Be careful about visceral reactions, my friend.

Where is the proof to support this claim about DA King? Surely there is a source...

As a Mormon, let me ask you if I was correct in what I was specifically stating, which is that, in accordance with your faith, that you would not interchangeably use the name Jesus Christ, in referring to God? That was the statement that Stacy made (and that I quoted), when pointing out that one of the core differences is that Mormon's do not believe in the Holy Trinity; where God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are all one and the same, of equal parts.

"And Obama's beliefs are only on trial because of his "non-American/ungodly" decisions he has made while in office." - OK, now I am fully entertained. Please, please, continue down this path and try not to go quoting scripture. I want to hear your own personal stream of consciousness about his "non-American" decisions.

"Nobody in this country calls God Allah, and quite frankly I kinda think you're a retard for trying to put forth that argument." - I have an Arabic Christian church about 5 blocks from my house and their are close to 1000 members who all use Allah.

The funny thing is that I thought that people who kept their heads so buried in the sand, would never get a redneck.

No Mike, this discussion is pretty far from looking at nuances. This is about hating on people unlike ourselves. Guess what, people who use the word God aren't always talking about the same bearded guy in the clouds. God doesn't always refer to the same God, just like Allah doesn't always refer to the same Allah. It is just language and the fact that anybody tries to differentiate it on any level other than this is perpetuating ignorance and prejudice.

There are some really awful Muslims, just like there are many awful people found in every country, race, religion, etc., but this type of objectification of somebody based on their God or choice of words to identify their God (even a shared deity with the churches that most people in this thread appear to attend), is doing nothing more than showing the worst of Christians.

Watts- Is it fair to say that the vast majority of Americans do not call God Allah?

I have never heard anyone whose primary language is English and wasn't Muslim refer to God as Allah either. But then, I have never hung out with any Christian Arabs. Apparently, because of that, my head is in the sand.
I do know that in the Bible, God handles most of the smiting himself and directs us all to love each other, while in the Koran, Allah orders his followers to do the smiting, especially regarding infidels. That, and a couple of negative experiences I have had with Muslims (involving their willingness to kill me) is enough for me to be cautious of orthodox Muslims.
Now, Watts, is it fair to say that the vast majority of Americans do not call God Allah?

"But if Watts really thinks they are referring to God and not the other one, then he's just beyond help." - Now here is the ignorance coming through again. Because somebody looks the way that they do or speaks another language or that their lineage is from a different region; then it is impossible for them to have the same religious understandings of Christianity. So I guess that the centuries of Missionary work around the world, must have been a complete joke, doomed by its own intentions, based on Karsten's understanding of people.

Watts, when the radical islamist flew into the WTC were they yelling praise Jesus or were they more than likely yelling Allahu Akbar, fort hood shooter yelled that. Praise be to Allah for a violent act to kill infidels. Under the sect of Islam that is organizing and praying outside of the Democrat Convention strikes a nerve with me because this sect which you will defend more so than you will defend Christian persecution has praised the actions and not denounced the actions of killing we knuckle dragging hillbilly redneck infidels. You are missing a large point, our grievance is the Democrat platform removed references to God that would appeal to knuckle dragging rednecks like myself, and instead catered and pandered to the sect of Islam that kills. If stating that doesn't appear obvious to you, then there is no help for you my brother. I am sure the Islamic left will embrace you.

Watts- Is it fair to say that the vast majority of Americans do not call God Allah?

Her speech did nothing of the sort. Blind allegiance with no understanding of the tactics being used to enslave a populous through handouts, welfare, pandering, divisive tactics under the guise of fairness and so. You, Brian are the perfect follower in the eyes of Central Power structure of Fabian Socialist's, Marxists, Communists and the sort. I believe that people like yourself have been referred to as useful idiots, brown shirts, propagandist, impressionable voters so on and so forth. History tells me what Michelle is selling to you doesn't quite end up like the sales pitch describes. Ask Greece how their finances are. Then ask the question when the provisions ran out under Chairman Mao's, or Stalin's, or any other successful communist nations out there. Everything is peachy until you can't give anymore to the takers. Best way to reduce the amount of takers is to exterminate them. I guess based on the level of vitriol toward conservatives from people like Watts, I would say conservative Christian's will be on the top of the priorities list when we start to go bottom up.

Got a question for Damyn17. Who's more likely to be guilty of blind allegiance, those who get their information from a very narrow source that claims everyone else is lying and that never criticizes it's leaders (read: FOX Nation), or those who get their information from a broad range of sources that routinely offer criticisms of all leaders (read: the rest of us)?

Brain, how about trying to refute what I am saying instead of calling out sources. Grow a pair for the love of Allah

I heard the same story from Michelle four years ago. It was refreshing then....now it's just old. No revelations....just a lot of hot air and pandering.

Okay. You seem to be under the delusion that the current administration has greatly expanded welfare and that they are "Fabian Socialist's, Marxists, Communists and the sort." I know this picture is very popular among right wing extremists but it simply isn't true. Your comparisons between the US and Greece are just silly. Greece's debt to GDP ratio is much worse and no one will lend to them. People are begging to lend us money...at negative net interest yields. The comparisons to Mao and Stalin are even more misinformed.

Ok Brian. Before I go any further I want to preface and say, I am not interested in being called names and neither will I call you names if you treat me with the same respect. So here goes under the current and previous administration do you consider our spending as becoming in check or continuing on a path with excessive deficit's leading to a stabilized economy, if so how? In your opinion Brian, do you see this admin or the previous admin as being effective in curbing and bringing the Debt to GDP ratio in check that will prevent a looming collapse? Do the unfunded liabilities have any bearing on our economic stability? Does the condition of the SS, Medicare and Medicaid indicate anything that we should be concerned about? Will our treasury have enough funding at its disposal to fund the Healthcare Mandates that were passed? Will the tax revenues that our government currently be adequate to create climate to increase revenue to the government? Will the stagnant growth of our economy and the drastic increase in underemployed and unemployed yield enough tax revenue to grow the social structure as it sits or that is envisioned by the left?. Some proposals that are being floated around are student, and home loan forgiveness, does that help or hurt capital in the USA. Will the drastic increase in fuel prices and food prices have a positive or negative impact on our economy?

Brian- You may have broader sources due to more media being biased toward liberalism. Just a thought.

David we have to watch them, I don't know if you realize this, but every program that they offer to the masses have to be paid by someone. As hard as it is to stomach we at least want to know who is taking our hard earned tax money and using it to buy a voting block to insure that they can covet enough impressionable voters to keep them in office. To you David, it is a popularity contests to others it is about to protecting our freedom, and our hard earned dollars from people like Sandra Fluke (free condoms and abortions for all), Illegal immigrants and the sort that have perverted the use of the safety net and used it to party like rock stars on the backs of hard working American's. Free Education, Free Healthcare, Free Roads, Free Retirement packages shouldn't be abused, which it now is. It is our Duty to pay attention to both sides of the Aisle and right now the Democrats have spent in excess of $5 Trillion in 3.5 yrs coveting voting blocks. I don't see you reaching into your pocket and pulling out the $38500 that you should be on the hook for their frivolous spending spree. Free Stuff has consequences

Whatever happened to encouraging all voters to educate themselves?

Since you admit you don’t actually listen to the words that the opponents of your position speak, how do you KNOW that the “translations” you are “given” in the absence of actual participation are REALLY correct?

very well made point "R"

For cripes sake! Stop with the nutty Hitlerfacismcommunism comparisons. Talk about specifics man. What on earth has Obama done to deserve this level of vitriol? Liberals don't loathe anyone except the intolerant. I'm a Christian and a Liberal and proud of it.

Damyn17, we will have to agree to disagree about this. I have one more example. I will not pay my money to see "2016: Obama's America" because of the nature of that documentary. Enjoy the rest of your day.

RE: "Facism or Communism typically follow the same path that we are headed down..."

Fascism and communism are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. The referenced statement is about as logical as saying that up equals down and night equals day.

I do, however, have some sympathy for Damyn17. I sensed that we were headed toward Fascism when George W. Bush was the President (e.g., unitary executive, signing statements, bogus justice department investigations of political enemies, torture, warrantless wiretaps,...)

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20060109_bergen.html

Brian, the level of vitriol that came out against the Chic-Fil-A supporters created some major discomfort for Christians and the beginning of the road to persecution. As far as what has Obama done to get this much vitriol, I will give some specifics, he has been relatively unscathed because of some people from his party committing political suicide to enable the agenda to move forward. The democrat controlled congress pushed through a Healthcare agenda which led to one of the most historic shifts of the left controlled congress toward a right of center congress. Then there were political uprisings in the middle east that garnered the support of Barrack only if those fighting had an anti Israel premise to the uprising. Then there was an on air statement made by Barrack to President Medvedev of the Soviet Union stating he would have more control after he wins the next election, to further agenda's with the Soviet Union which I would assume was stated to prevent some political fallout for the upcoming election. Vladimir Putin was told by the President of the USA that he would have more flexibility in the future. Then we had a push for the Green agenda been overseen by an admitted Communist who worked directly with the White House by the name of Van Jones. These things create issues of crave concern in my opinion. Right or Left those are unsettling.

David, I would watch a movie from the Right or left if it served a purpose of enlightening me on issues I did not know. If I become narrow minded and only see my side then I become a lemming. Even if it is to laugh at either side for their viewpoint, I will still watch.

RE: "...the level of vitriol that came out against the Chic-Fil-A supporters created some major discomfort for Christians..."

Opposition to equal rights for gays has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with bigotry. People have been using the Bible to rationalize their bigotry for centuries, and those of us who no longer eat at Chick-fil-a are no more anti-Christian than the abolitionists of the 19th century or those who fought for civil rights in the 20th century.

Ultimately, people didn't by the anti-Christian smokescreen in earlier fights for equal rights, and fortunately, fewer and fewer are buying it now.

CJ, if you notice how this thread materialized it was in speaking in opposition of the the muslim call to prayer and pulling the reference to God from a Christian perspective out of the democrat platform. Last I checked the Islamist's kill gays in their countries. So what you are implying is, that it is OK to defend the Islamic faith so long as it advocates violently disagreeing with homosexuality. Be consistent with whom you defend. If you are going to call out Christians for having a non killing stance against homosexuality, then at least have the testicular fortitude to be as outspoken against the Islamic faith that advocates the killing of those that embarrass their faith. Honor Killings for adultery, and public executions of people caught in homosexual acts isn't very welcoming or inclusive in Islam.

C.J you are right that we have been headed toward very heavily toward a centralized power structure that controls the people. Both ideologies require a top tier structure that enslaves its people both Right or Left. I disagreed with Bushes abuse of power as well as disagree with Obama's abuse of power. Progressivism made some extensive changes to our countries structure on both sides of the aisle, and shifted us from a Representative Republic to either a Crony Capitalistic entity with deep roots of social engineering which initially had good intentions but then metastasized into a vote buying or campaign contribution schemes. I choose Liberty over Fascism or Communism. I would love to the United States back as a Representative Republic opposed to the welfare state we have become.

Alrighty then, I think, i don't remenber.

Wow, Stella - spell check please. I have no idea what you said here....

Three cheers for the medio class, or something.
Another Owebama voter, speaking her.....um.....mind?
Probably one of those voters that the libs think won't be able to vote if there are ID requirements, and I hope they're right.

Ohooooo! Good one.

Thank you for the update. It actually doesn't matter, but it appeared that the so-called liberal press wasn't going to move on until Democrats took this step.

Sigh.

CJ, that doesn't even make sense. It was the conservative media making the noise about this. My personal belief is that not God, Allah nor any religious reference should be part fo any political process and I get the feeling that the "liberal press," would not be making an issue of weather or not God was mentioned or not. So what makes you think that the "liberal press" was hung up on this issue until some action was taken?

It seems the DNC leased the RNC teleprompters from TAMPA, you know the ones that displayed the vote passed before it was actually taken on the floor...

(Smiles)

Heil Obama..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Nlq80DVpo

Tammy, I'm gonna have to call BS on the "we belong to the government" statement claim. If you have a link to support it I'll be happy to apologize. I don't know anyone who believes we belong to the government.

WE don't, just all our money and assets that we didn't build...

<SMDH> You folks are shameless about twisting words and editing video. What the video said was "Government is the only thing we all belong to, we have different churches, different clubs, but we're together as a part of our city or our county or our state, ..and our nation." As in "We The People". There is is huge difference in saying that and saying "we belong to the government" as in "the government owns us". If you can't see that my friend there is no hope for you. Can't you see how you are being manipulated?

Just like I said, pure BS. No apology from me and shame on you and Tammy for spreading such garbage. http://tinyurl.com/9jy4f54

No good Brian. You said you would apologize if there was a link to support that people feel they belong to government. Not only does the link prove the accusation but shows people saying “we all do belong to the government, we’re more safer, the government should be able to take care of us”. No one put words in their mouths Brian.
One lady was right when she said that Republicans don't feel that they belong to the government. You democrats are the shameless ones. Where in the constitution does it say "We The Government"? You have your link.
Now Apologize!

Looks like there's no hope for you Steve. Good luck.

No Brian. You called BS on a fact and now you won’t admit that you are wrong. No one should be surprised.
Enough said!

The DNC did not say "we belong to the government". I've already explained it once. If I were wrong I would apologize. Personally I think you and Tammy are the ones who owe the apology, but I won't hold my breath.

Brian,
Pay attention and read carefully. I am only going to explain this once.
We belong to social groups of OUR choice, "churches, different clubs", but we don't belong to the government.
The government "belongs" to us. Churches and clubs do not belong to us, but the government does. The government is meant to serve us, not the other way around.
We are voting NO in NOvember, and Obama is going down, because WE are in charge of the government, not the other way around.

Very Intelligent lee. Go back to sleep.

Quick questions Lee kellog, the Europeans that wanted Universal healthcare, are you implying that free healthcare functions better than free enterprise healthcare. Does the universal healthcare have shorter or longer wait times for surgery, does it administer which healthcare is deemed beneficial or not, does it select who is worthy of the care or not, does it provide the latest technological advances in medicine regardless of the price, does it ration care, does it purchase superior prescription medication or does it purchase the most economically feasible by the resources that are available from the tax seized by the citizens. Is the quality of care better or worse? If Universal healthcare is what you want, will you commit to venturing down to Cuba and having you next physical or surgery performed by the hospitals or doctors that Michael Moore has stated are the one's we should emulate. Does Universal everything strengthen or weaken a Country economically. A few countries you could research would be Greece, Italy, Spain, England, Cuba, Venezuela. Let me know if the condition of their economies will survive the test of time.

Americans don't need media to know "why this country REALLY is in a shambles".
America is living it. Either you have lost your job or lost your home or your neighbor has and it has nothing to do with the media.

I have never watched Fox News. I listened to Rush Limbaugh once about 5 or 6 years ago. My opinions were formed strictly without input from them. Mostly I listen to NBC. The liberal BS they spout is enough to make me not want any part of it, however, I drew my conclusions on what is actually happening to our country, not what some bubble headed news reader says.

Obama is a Socialist. He's driving our country to hell. He's hoping for civil war with the assumption his pansy ass liberals would win. The current batch of Republicans is not the answer. But they are a better choice than continuing down the road toward complete division.

A civil war would be interesting. Lines would not be drawn between North and South. They would be drawn between neighbors. Guess I need to stock up on more ammunition. My liberal neighbor has lots of gravel in his drive to throw at me.

Guess that is why the EU is close to dissolving. The Europeans are really loving that socialism! I cannot believe you still buy into the whole democracy thing our government schools teach. Good student. The next civil war will between the producers and moochers. Lock and load.

Lee, try to pay attention to what's actually going on over there. Yes, the reason they have universal health coverage is that they voted for it. Funny how people tend to vote for things that make them pay less out of pocket, regardless of where that money has to come from or the actual consequences of doing so. Those idiots in Greece voted in a socialist, for God's sake, after they're going through bankruptcy. But, I guess since they voted on it, it must be the best thing for them.

We weren't installed as a democracy on purpose. Our founding fathers didn't like democracy, like Damyn said, it's Mob Rule. People will vote for their own self-interest first, at all costs. Look what happened here with Obama. Point made....

Universal healthcare is a disaster. Longer waiting lines, to the point that people are dying before treatment. Death panels that decide if your care is worth it based on age and survivability. People that can afford it are coming here for treatment. That should tell you all you need to know. And the most important criteria to me - survivability once a life-threatening illness is contracted. Your chances of survival are substantially higher here.

What is it you didn't already know about Bill Clinton? He's a liar. He cheated on his family IN in the white house AS commander in chief. He's scum. Who needs a 50 minute video Now to figure that out?

Actually, if you go to politifact or any of teh fact checking sites, who went over this speech last night, he was sopt on with all of his important points. Too bad Paul Ryan failed at that.

Michelle Obama's speech was a laugh, talk about failing fact checking sites! As children and young adults they attended the best schools. As young adults they were accepted into Ivy League schools despite undistinguished credentials. In 1993 they bought their first home, it cost $277,000. Several years later they moved to a $1.65 million mansion in Hyde Park. So her speech was way off to what was her true reality.

That ball cap up front says Atlanta Braves.

Just kiddin

The comment right below the photo states that it is not from the olympics, but was from an event in Jamaica, where you can see another photo that provides more detail:

http://largeup.okayplayer.com/2012/08/08/impressions-the-jamaica-50-independence-grand-gala/

You can see that the organizers set the seating arrangement and for security reasons (I have put on larger events like this) you sometimes have to clump your "celebrities." And given that this took place in Jamaica, which can be specifically dangerous and also probably a lower security budget, there would be nothing unusual at all about this.

@Larry Reid
Are you sure the thrill is not running down your leg?

Wow! Brian must be stankin like a rotten egg by now.

I feel like I belong to my employer sometimes but I never felt like I belonged to the government as long as I pay my taxes.

You guys have no capacity for critical thinking. That's why Republican's can't solve problems. They even have to follow Democrats around with tape recorders to come up with themes for their convention...hahaha.

Saying "Government is the only thing we all belong to" is saying government is the one thing we all have membership in, at least we should. We The People ARE the government, we ARE the body politic. We strive to form a more perfect union, this is the founding principal of our Nation. To deny that is to deny being American. There is nothing sinister in any of this.

Brian, it may seem as if some Americans are ignorant and paranoid to you but many still value the original design and intent of our republic. As our nation continues to move away from that intended design, sure, it troubles some. Many Americans believe our constitution to be as relevant today as it was when it was written. Standing by and watching those who choose to ignore our rule of law can be a bit intimidating to say the least. If We The People do not stand against tyranny, we certainly deserve just that.

Some Americans consider terminology potentially threatening and damaging. When we hear such as “Transform the United States Of America” and “The President will be ready to rule day one”. This isn’t partisan paranoia. I personally wouldn’t like to hear Republicans ever say “We all belong to government”. I don’t care what they mean.

The remark “you guys have no capacity for critical thinking” shows that you are as ignorant as you accuse others of being. I hope my children and grandchildren thrive in this free nation as I have been privileged to. It appears very doubtful that my hopes will manifest if our nation continues down this path which many seem content.

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not”

Paranoid? Yes. Ignorant? Not ignorant, just misinformed. I agree wholeheartedly with what you say about tyranny but the tyranny we suffer from today is the tyranny of the special interest; the huge corporations and and a new class of wealthy elite who earned their fortunes through no act of creation but off of the misery of their fellows.

Our Constitution is without doubt the finest governing document ever produced and continues to serve us well. There is no questioning it's relevance. However, it was never intended to be the final say. It was amended before it was even born.

And no one, right or left, liberal or conservative, up or down, believes we should "take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not". What fool would possibly believe that? Those special interests I spoke of want you to believe that is what this is all about but they lie. Welfare and food stamp programs aren't about giving lazy people a hand out. They're about giving hungry children and the less fortunate a hand up. Our welfare programs demand that those who can work must. There is no "free ride". Those who abuse society's kindness should be, and are, routinely rooted from the system.

Brian, Get your head out of your a** and look around.

Us belonging to government is a cornerstone of Left thinking, and Brian can say all he wants to that we're taking it out of context. As far as they're concerned, everything we have is because of the government (You didn't build that!) and therefore theirs to do with as they please. It's easy to see when they talk about tax cuts and what they will cost this country. Hint: Tax cuts dont' 'cost' us anything. They may result in less revenue, but how do you look at it as a cost when it wasn't yours to begin with?

Good night Tammy. Better lock your doors after bad mouthing the left's government. : )

@Tammy Osier, Yes, enjoy your freedom under President Obama. Yes, we belong to government...God tells us how to govern ourselves in his books.. Government is what life is all about. We must govern ourselves accordingly. And when we don't, we suffer consequences. I guess the speaker in the video didn't think we were conspiracy theorists...either way if Mitt did become President if there was (while we're living in a real world) this matrix that you are implying is revealed in this video, certainly Mitt would be controlled by it too...so let's just imagine Mitt + the Matrix system, you claim...not good partners I would say. And you can be of independent party...but it won't matter much with the rise of the Mittians and the Matrix, will it? For those who feel that government owns them, go off and build yourself a barn and enjoy yourself some freedom....the Amish will welcome you...but even the Amish pay STATE taxes.

Even the Romney's blame bush...the man wasn't even allowed to speak at the NRC...give yourself a break Tammy...go free yourself.

Even the Romney's blame bush...the man wasn't even allowed to speak at the NRC.

George, you do realize that not even the Dems voted on his jobs bill, right?

@Chris (sorry that was an old post but here it is again...complete)
No question, the President has made tremendous progress since taking office. But as he stated, he knows we need to make even more. We are on the correct path but hindered and hampered by a negative and recalcitrant congress bent on sabotaging his every move for patrician gain. For example one million jobs could have been created if the Republican congress had passed the president's jobs He understands that to keep this country moving we need education, infrastructure investment, research & development ,a rational immigration policy, and a balance in regulations & law. These are the five things that our parents and grandparents invested in before the perversions of trickle down economics(Reagan) and of you can have it all without paying(Bush) .Something that Reagan and especially Bush failed to understand. The Republican strategy offers no hope. Indeed their cynical election tactics proves my point. They will create voter frustration with massive negative ads, voter suppression laws, appealing to the white male "DixieRepublicans" with veiled racists remarks and suggestions. One day this group will wise up to the fact that their interests are not served well by the Republican party. But until then you can read their comments. I will savor a Democratic victory in the fall.

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True in 1996, but than eight years of Republican government screwed everything up so that massive expeditures were required to keep the nation out of a great depression.

Those out of work for more than two years and those who have lost their homes during this recent debacle, feel like we're in a great depression.

What's Obama’s recovery plan again? Another 5 trillion in borrowing?

I know this is way out there but since Obama is so dedicated to putting Americans back to work and clearly doesn't need permission from congress for anything, why doesn't he free up every possible coal project, oil drilling potential, pipe line and Kool-aid stand that might help the "middle class"? Just a thought.

I'm getting those nauseating ads too. Maybe we should talk less about George and Obama and more about Kate Upton.

It's just weird that Michelle keeps asking me if I'm in.

I was always proud of Bush for his efforts to protect the nation. That's the number one job of the president. Obama promises Russia more compromise after he's re-elected. Bush's mistake was not using the VETO pen. He knew the dems were screwing up but he did nothing to stop them. Now the same morons that voted for all the housing "fairness" blame Bush.

Bush protect the Nation? Was that before 9/11 or after? And Bush had a Republican Congress for 6 full years. You think the Dems screwed things up? Wow, just wow.

Owl Gore would have blamed the 911 attacks on Global Warming!

If Al Gore had been elected 9/11 quite possibly would have never happened. We certainly wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq and he would no doubt have continued Clinton's policies that were yielding budget surpluses and economic prosperity, *shudder!* Yeah, that would have been terrible.

Actually, what you think, would be more hypothetical. But, thank God Gore was never elected for us to find out.